tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954254.post8456353235606439009..comments2023-12-01T07:51:20.505+01:00Comments on Animesh Pathak's Online Journal: Fighting Terror with TruthAnimeshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08412663541603155070noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954254.post-31225374645934050352008-11-14T15:36:00.000+01:002008-11-14T15:36:00.000+01:00Both issues are differentTerrorism issue wont get ...Both issues are different<BR/>Terrorism issue wont get solved unless wht i said gets a weightage, i stick to it<BR/>i welcomed efforts since it is regarding their own community's social problem(not affecting Hindus unlike terrorism...so here goody goody show offs wont attract us, it depends on them wht kind of life they wish to live)<BR/>Both issues are different enough to have different solutions as per meS J Mayank Srivastavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07890351081683518279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954254.post-43173663500225615842008-11-14T15:17:00.000+01:002008-11-14T15:17:00.000+01:00My stance matches with 2nd oneIndia has been a vic...My stance matches with 2nd one<BR/>India has been a victim of terrorism since 1988, these goody goody efforts have never fructified since then, so i would appreciate results only now<BR/><BR/>Are you aware of the term Rule of land or constitution. Mahabharat is not the only war of this world and was in accordance with the rule of land at that age(This was once again an effort to relate a war with Hinduism, its common once again in all religions, i suppose you know about crusades which happened just a few centuries before)<BR/>Now we have a different constitution and therefore everyone must follow it, this is my stanceS J Mayank Srivastavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07890351081683518279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954254.post-9185157137443355432008-11-14T15:07:00.000+01:002008-11-14T15:07:00.000+01:00[Good to know your stance on the criminal elements...[Good to know your stance on the criminal elements]<BR/><BR/><I>"I would appreciate all efforts to come in mainstream with open heart, "</I><BR/><BR/>No you do not! You yourself said<BR/><BR/><I>"I dont appreciate, unless ground issues are touched. Unless they give clear verdict about clauses ..."</I><BR/><BR/>I am a bit confused now.<BR/><BR/>There are two possible responses [among others] to the efforts of the moderate clerics in Delhi:<BR/><BR/>1. "Good job, and a good start. Looking forward to more constructive steps", or<BR/><BR/>2. "Meh, big deal. This is nothing. Do more and then ask for my appreciation".<BR/><BR/>Which is your stance, 1 or 2?<BR/><BR/>//abt Bajrang Dal and the scriptures, I am sure they will quote you some scriptures to show how what they are doing is justified. One simple method: I am killing those people since they belong to the "adharmi" side. When Arjun can kill his own brothers, why can't I? But we shall talk about this later. If you know people from BD, please ask them if they justify their attacks from scriptures or not.Animeshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08412663541603155070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954254.post-14367468162786369632008-11-14T14:53:00.000+01:002008-11-14T14:53:00.000+01:00I would appreciate all efforts to come in mainstre...I would appreciate all efforts to come in mainstream with open heart, lets c how far this propaganda reaches<BR/><BR/>Are Modi,Bajrang dal doing what is written in religious scriptures? No<BR/>Then its their own political/social/ economical interest. I condemn any such heinous crime, previously also i have said "Punish Modi, i have no problem"S J Mayank Srivastavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07890351081683518279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954254.post-14994584943334178532008-11-14T11:47:00.000+01:002008-11-14T11:47:00.000+01:00"Unless they give clear verdict about clauses ment...<I>"Unless they give clear verdict about clauses mentioning that Kafir should have his neck slitted...unless they become liberal enough to agree that that clause was made for tribal people of middle east and not for this modern world and therefore should be discarded"</I><BR/><BR/>Interesting stance. Do you also agree to those who say "I will not show any appreciation of Modi's development work in Gujarat until he punishes the goondas who openly confessed to killing innocent women on the <A HREF="http://animeshpathak.blogspot.com/2007/10/see-and-be-afraid.html" REL="nofollow">Tehekla tapes</A>"?<BR/><BR/>Would you appreciate the attempts of some muslims who are trying to <A HREF="http://mutiny.in/2008/11/12/menses-justifies-polygamy/" REL="nofollow">abolish</A> the 4-marriages and talaq-by-speaking rules, or would you choose to only focus on condemning those extreme muslims who support such rules?Animeshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08412663541603155070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954254.post-56827694477887802682008-11-14T10:02:00.000+01:002008-11-14T10:02:00.000+01:00To an extentTo an extentS J Mayank Srivastavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07890351081683518279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954254.post-69731919401134770392008-11-14T09:32:00.000+01:002008-11-14T09:32:00.000+01:00"Analysis was when u tried to show that only one w..."Analysis was when u tried to show that only one went to madarssa and others went to public schools, therefore religious clauses are not responsible for terrorism "<BR/><BR/>Guess I was not clear enough. My stance is "extreme interpretations of religion can be used for terrorism".<BR/><BR/>That sounds good to you?Animeshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08412663541603155070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954254.post-82665460902279977592008-11-14T09:25:00.000+01:002008-11-14T09:25:00.000+01:00Yes i would make my own medicine in case i know th...Yes i would make my own medicine in case i know that doctors are cheaters and the medicines being sold in market are contaminated. Professionals would offer wht suits to their boss, they have least concerns with the interest of public<BR/>why not to look for those who are doing Nishkaam service and away from glamour(race of some pulitzer prize).S J Mayank Srivastavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07890351081683518279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954254.post-73361439739269369012008-11-14T09:17:00.000+01:002008-11-14T09:17:00.000+01:00I dont appreciate, unless ground issues are touche...I dont appreciate, unless ground issues are touched. Unless they give clear verdict about clauses mentioning that Kafir should have his neck slitted...unless they become liberal enough to agree that that clause was made for tribal people of middle east and not for this modern world and therefore should be discarded<BR/>Analysis was when u tried to show that only one went to madarssa and others went to public schools, therefore religious clauses are not responsible for terrorismS J Mayank Srivastavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07890351081683518279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954254.post-15073453137415160012008-11-14T09:09:00.001+01:002008-11-14T09:09:00.001+01:00Regarding "all doing own ground work" -- do you pr...Regarding "all doing own ground work" -- do you prepare your own medicine, grow your own wheat, or mend your own shoe? Much as we would like to do it all, we have to depend on others, who hopefully are well qualified, to do a majority of things for us. Sure, you can have a haldi-chai, a kitchen garden, some feviquick, and a walk around your block, but that will not compare with the extent to which a professional can provide the same service.<BR/><BR/>The media, therefore, is a necessity in today's world, albeit one that is obsessed with sensationalism. So I'd like to keep my media, but take all it says with a pinch of salt :). Also saying "really?" to what the talking heads on the media say, no matter what their affiliations, is a good idea :).Animeshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08412663541603155070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954254.post-27106594751459839142008-11-14T09:09:00.000+01:002008-11-14T09:09:00.000+01:00@Mayank: Thanks for clarifying, and by not going b...@Mayank: Thanks for clarifying, and by not going by stereotypes.<BR/><BR/>Regarding "analysis u have made is not manipulated" -- I am not sure what you think my "analysis" was. Please let me know.<BR/><BR/>Regarding Ms. Azmi, as I said, I am disappointed by her not speaking up on this topic. However, do you agree with me in appreciating these moderate clerics who are trying to ensure that at-risk muslim youth are exposed to the moderate interpretation of Islam?Animeshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08412663541603155070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954254.post-17777444055405921682008-11-14T08:57:00.000+01:002008-11-14T08:57:00.000+01:00Thts what i said...one should not derive conclusio...Thts what i said...one should not derive conclusions of a person's mentality by the school he went, we all learn more by environment around. So any such analysis has no ground.<BR/>Regarding DJ, it was 3 yrs before, so just remember wht i told<BR/>Above all we all should get rid of images created by media<BR/>We should have our own ground works.<BR/>We only have data published in media, neither can i believe that analysis u have made is not manipulated, nor would u believe my DJ references.S J Mayank Srivastavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07890351081683518279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954254.post-21269464414980889252008-11-14T08:43:00.000+01:002008-11-14T08:43:00.000+01:00@mayank:Not sure I understand your analogy here. W...@mayank:<BR/>Not sure I understand your analogy here. What are the following in this case:<BR/>"professional environment"<BR/>"smart one"<BR/>"honest person"<BR/><BR/>Also, what about those who are smart as well as honest, where do they go? Or is there a mutually-exclusive relationship between smartness and honesty?<BR/><BR/>Re your DJ reference, it is an interesting expose. Please let us know which Issue it was in. Since DJ is now online [although bought by those christian Yahoo guys], it should not be a problem to find the hyperlink to a back-article.<BR/><BR/>"Similarly the analysis over Madarssas and public schools is a superficial approach"<BR/>Thanks a lot for pointing it out. I am assuming that you mean that all those who say "Madarssas are the ones which cause muslims to go extremist" are wrong. Or are you saying that "Islam itself is a crazy religion, and whoever studies it, no matter from a moderate teacher or an extremist teacher, is going to end up extreme". On that note, how violent is your convent-school friend nowadays? What is next, maligning Sikhs in Patna who learn Punjabi to read the Guru Granth Sahib as kids?<BR/><BR/>On a side not, I went to a convent school too, and we learnt Mahabharat and Ramayan _in_ the school. Thankfully I did not end up misreading it and killing my brother for being on the wrong side of Dharma :).Animeshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08412663541603155070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954254.post-68382407665456768702008-11-14T03:28:00.000+01:002008-11-14T03:28:00.000+01:00Situation is similar to some professional environm...Situation is similar to some professional environment where the most smart one keeps on doing nice things superficially to impress his boss while an honest person gets agitated by seeing corruption and fake characters around, therefore gets angry and finally suspended by his boss because of his not so nice behaviour while he was really honest. Actresses like Shabana and some others want glamour, they go to media but don't do any ground work. I remember once i read in Dainik Jagran that once she had a tryst with a maulvi over some shariyat clause, maulvi made her silent and she didnt object a bit, even media was not used to go further.These are fake characters who want some nobel peace prize by being secular<BR/>Similarly the analysis over Madarssas and public schools is a superficial approach<BR/>My friends with me in convent school had personal maulvi tutors who taught them Arabic, then they started reading their religious sciptures as well on everyday basis while they were in convent school. If a record of number of visits to religious leaders is made by those terrorists then perhaps something sensational would come outS J Mayank Srivastavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07890351081683518279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954254.post-51335788940026536662008-11-12T17:30:00.000+01:002008-11-12T17:30:00.000+01:00@vasu: Thanks for the comment, and indeed, our dis...@vasu: Thanks for the comment, and indeed, our discussion is pending :). Maybe the best time will be when we meet face-to-face, in your town or mine :).<BR/><BR/>I have been reading about what is "currently happenning in India", and maintain that it is due to the extreme factins gaining power, and the govts [center, state, all] choosing to not uphold the law of the land, which automatically aims to solve these situations.Animeshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08412663541603155070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954254.post-87895098971908736252008-11-12T17:06:00.000+01:002008-11-12T17:06:00.000+01:00My Dear Animesh,This is Vasudevan, your friend fro...My Dear Animesh,<BR/><BR/>This is Vasudevan, your friend from the ITBHU Alumni circle. I have my very well informed views about these so-called moderates among the muslims. It is just a shade better than fiction. <BR/><BR/>I would love to have a good discussion with you on this subject and related topics as to what is currently happening in India - such as conversion-melas, jihadist terrorism, political apathy to the genuine problems faced by Hindus etc.<BR/><BR/>Let us engage offline, on the e-mail. This is just to let you know that I visit your blog site once in a while.<BR/><BR/>Best regards<BR/><BR/><BR/>VasuSanathana Dharmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00267682742834724364noreply@blogger.com